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Transcript:

[Jon Dabach] 00:00
Today on the relationship Revival Show, I’m joined by therapists Kevin Niehaus. Practicing since 2017. In the Los Angeles area, Kevin has focused blending his dual trainings in business and psychology to help clients better understand themselves and the journey they’re on.

[Jon Dabach] 00:18
You’re listening to the relationship revival podcast with Jon Dabach, also known as Mr. Spirituality. That’s me, I’m your host giving you insights and guidance from over 10 years in the field of this amazing journey we call romance on this show, I go over everything you need to know about how to get into a relationship, how to get the most out of a relationship, and sometimes even how to gracefully end a relationship without pulling your hair out and going crazy. And occasionally, I’m even joined by new and old friends, who are also relationship experts to bring you guidance and wisdom with new perspectives. Thanks for stopping by Kevin Niehaus. Thank you so much for joining us.

[JKevin Niehaus] 00:58
Thanks, John. Glad to be here,

[Jon Dabach] 01:00
You have a really interesting path that you took to become a clinician. And that’s not typical at all. It’s actually the first time I’ve ever heard anything like this. Have you? Do you know anybody who has a similar path to you? Are you kind of breaking the mold in your own role, too?

[JKevin Niehaus] 01:17
I mean, I would love to say I’m breaking a mold. But I think it is a trend that I’m definitely seeing a lot more of and definitely need up. Because I remember when I first started this, I remember being in the interview process for the grad program, and they were like, business people. We don’t this is people can’t do this job. Right. And I was just like, yes, we can, like come on now. Right? So I would like to say I’m breaking a mold, but I think it’s just paving the way for untapped needs, you know, so let’s

[Jon Dabach] 01:48
tell people what your background is, I got a chance to chat with you a little bit before but you started, like you said in the business world in the in the health field. So you kind of were exposed to the mental health kind of side of things. But what where did it kind of how it how did it happen did? How did it unfold?

[JKevin Niehaus] 02:06
Sure. So you know, my, my last major strip was in the healthcare. So I’ve worked in a couple of different industries, both the private and the public sectors.

[JKevin Niehaus] 02:15
But what really drove the transition to clinical was I found myself at a crossroads. I think a lot of people in the business world do that the ladder only goes so far. Right? So in the healthcare setting, you’ve got people who are clinicians who can go all the way up to the CEO, because it’s, you know, that’s their field.

[JKevin Niehaus] 02:34
Or you have the researchers who are really driving their own projects in the clinical world. And then you have admin people, right? And admin, people can only go so far if they’re not clinicians. So I hit this crossroad, where I had to explore, okay, how do I go keep climbing the ladder? Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 02:50
So for me, a personal aspect was that, at the same time, I’m kind of going through this, I’m going to say career evolution. My brother was dealing with some, some legal issues. And you know, of course, when typical family you kind of rally to you’re trying to help them meet their needs.

[JKevin Niehaus] 03:09
One of the stipulations for him was that he had to complete a year of mental health, right. So while in the prison system, he kept trying, he was on waitlist, it kept getting pushed other people with less sentences kept taking his place. And he found himself timing out after eight years, right.

[JKevin Niehaus] 03:27
So for me, it really showed this opportunity, but there are so many underserved populations. And even as a therapist, I was like, I can go back and I can help. But I quickly found that there were populations people just didn’t want to work with. Right. So when

[Jon Dabach] 03:43
You say timing out just so I understand the details. So he had, he had a reduced sentence opportunity, if he could complete a year of therapy. And he tried to do that for eight years. And when you say he timed out or aged out what does that mean? It was that as long as the sentence was or so it was easier for him to actually complete his full sentence, then find therapy or a therapist willing to work with him for a year straight.

[JKevin Niehaus] 04:15
Yeah, in the prison setting. Right. Wow. So from that standpoint, yeah, he completed his whole his whole sentence. And then part of his probation was he still had to go back and do the one year oh my gosh, it’s just now he’s trying to acclimate back to the real world differently. You know, he’s faced all those now he has to come up with the financial means to access mental health and go to the meetings that were required of him.

[Jon Dabach] 04:40
Wow. So you obviously saw a real need. And how’s that kind of informed you in the way you’re approaching your own kind of career now?

[JKevin Niehaus] 04:52
Sure. So a lot of a lot of my career has always been working with populations that other people have shunned apart. away from or that are not necessarily the easy cases, which, for example, I worked at a community mental health center, which I got my clinical time here in California, which was really focused on court cases, domestic violence, sex offenders.

[JKevin Niehaus] 05:17
So I’m a certified sex offender therapist, I work a lot with adolescent males who find themselves getting into trouble, they don’t read the signals correctly, or they don’t have impulse control. So a lot of the people, even addictions, I’ve worked with a lot of addictions, people, their populations that typically find trouble or have trouble finding the proper care to meet their needs.

[Jon Dabach] 05:42
And you specialize in that. Yeah. That’s pretty noble, not a lot of people willing to take on that kind of burden. I love it. So that’s super, it’s super interesting. How has it changed the way that you’ve practiced because you’re dealing with such a specific population?

[JKevin Niehaus] 06:01
So a lot of times, it’s looking at their needs, right? Just like any, any clinician would do kind of assess the needs, what are they dealing with? For me, it’s actually created this amazing toolkit that says, I can work with a lot of different populations who have common needs, right, for example, like, as a member of the LGBT community, like, I work with a lot of people who maybe find this marriage between sex and drugs, right.

[JKevin Niehaus] 06:31
So depending on how they you know, find physical intimacy, so that allows it to say, Okay, how do we how do we help you navigate what is physical intimacy, and what is drug seeking? Right. At the same time, you know, it allows me to, from a couple standpoint to say, what are the conversations you’re having with your partner, if you’re exploring an open relationship that might involve drugs and orgies and things like that?

[Jon Dabach] 06:57
So that’s, that’s, that’s a topic we haven’t kind of gone over on the show. Is it more prevalent to have this kind of drug seeking behavior in the LGBTQ community? I mean, it’s just it’s so I’m kind of curious what the, you know, what’s what, what’s going on?

[JKevin Niehaus] 07:14
Well, it’s prominent in every community. I think one of the things about in the LGBT Q plus community is you have to look at how dating used to happen, right? Usually, it was always in a small bar, a local, so if you were going to meet a partner, and in a safe environment, it was usually some substance was there. Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 07:38
Which of course, just like any community can lead to, you know, meth or cocaine, Randy’s the different party type drugs that heightened you know, the experiences. So it’s prominent every community, in my opinion, but you do see common trends in the LGBTQ community.

[Jon Dabach] 07:58
And as a member of the LGBTQ community, you know, for whatever reason, I don’t have many clients in that community.

[Jon Dabach] 08:06
So I’m always interested in hearing, what are some challenges in talking about intimacy, talking about relationships that I might not see, when I’m practicing with my clients, that people who are cisgender, heteronormative, don’t really understand. Because I think, you know, if we all have a little bit more of this attitude of empathy, and trying to understand, we’ll be, we’ll be in a better place to kind of communicate across lines and kind of blend the communities in a little bit more of a healthy way.

[JKevin Niehaus] 08:37
Sure, I think for me, one of the things that first comes to mind is the different coping skills just because just like any relationship, you’re going to have to people with pasts, right. So with sexuality with one sexuality, identity, usually it comes with some kind of previous trauma, some kind of awakening from the inner self, to find yourself to be able to, you know, confront and come out to the world as your authentic self.

[JKevin Niehaus] 09:06
So with that, you usually find two people’s journeys bumping up against each other, right? And you would see this in a heteronormative relationship, too. Like we all go through trauma, right. But what you typically find, or what I have found, I’ll only speak for myself is now with that you deal with the shame of the family of origin, right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 09:28
Because, you know, when someone comes out, you know, there’s over the past 10 years, huge support growing, but you had this this population, right, especially like I would say from the millennials, because I think we were the last kind of generation who had to live in the closet, right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 09:45
And it was one of these things that it’s like, you have to process like work for example, like I remember myself and other clients talking about I can’t even be out at work because it could cost me my job, right? Yeah. Or I can’t come out to my parents because it It cost me my relationship with them.

[JKevin Niehaus] 10:02
So you get this duality of dual relationships of I have my partner and I have my family of origin. Right? And helping them balance the selected family versus whatever their biological family is. Does that make sense?

[Jon Dabach] 10:18
Yeah. It almost seems like, you know, I deal with couples who, for whatever reason, have probably because my own background, have religious kind of either pulls apart from family or going towards it and pulling up, you know, so whether they become religious or dropped the religion, that’s kind of something and I think there is something similar here where they have a shared narrative.

[Jon Dabach] 10:43
So it’s, I think, in in the LGBTQ plus community, you know, the fact that you have that family of origin, and that coming out, would probably, and correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like that would act as a bonding mechanism for the two people in the relationship, or is it so normal in the community that it’s, it really doesn’t have an impact to have that kind of narrative and story that you can share with your partner?

[JKevin Niehaus] 11:08
Well, I think what you’re, you know, and this is where I think my business background gets blended, because you could have two people on two totally different journeys, right, just like maybe some of your clients where you might have seen them as a couple and one is an individual therapy, and the other one is not.

[JKevin Niehaus] 11:23
And you see the client who’s an individual therapy, being further on the journey, they have better insight, where for two partners, their journey might be completely different. One might live completely and out open, authentic life, and the other one might be very private about it. Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 11:41
Like, I don’t want to use the trope of being in the closet. Because I’m a firm believer, it’s, it’s your story, who you tell is up to you. Not everyone deserves that version, right? But sometimes you see that as a catalyst for conflict? Well, why can’t you just tell your mother?

[JKevin Niehaus] 11:56
Why can’t we sleep in the same bed when we go to visit your parents’ house? They know we’re in a relationship. But since we’re not married, or because, you know, male and female, I’ve even had clients who have gone to their parents’ house with potential partners in the parents check in on where they’re sleeping? Are they in the same bed? Are they sleeping in separate?

[JKevin Niehaus] 12:16
So you have these kinds of macroaggressions for the community that depending on how someone approaches it, and it could be completely avoided, where they’re like, oh, that’s just how so and so is more, you have the person who’s a little bit more triggered by who says that’s not right, stop it, you know, so it’s helped navigating that.

[JKevin Niehaus] 12:33
And one of the techniques I do from the business standpoint is, I look at each person at their identities, right? So for me, for example, like I have my sexuality identity, I have a professional one, I’m a business person and a psychologist, I have my gender one, I’m a sis male, I’m a father, I’m a brother, right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 12:53
Each one of these different identities can be triggered, right? Just like in business, we have all of these different little departments like marketing, accounting, and finance, that each play their own different role in how a business functions, we to have that individually, right?

 

[JKevin Niehaus] 13:08
So when I work with individuals or couples, a lot of times I’m like, Okay, so, John, what is this trigger? Is it your male? Is it your partner, like what is being triggered, and then helping that person communicate their needs to their partner or to their support system? Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 13:26
Because too often, we kind of get caught up in the umbrella, where if I’m working with a female client, and maybe their somebody’s making inappropriate comments to them at the workplace, and they’re being triggered? I might say, Okay, what part is being triggered? Is it your sexuality identity? Is it your gender identity?

[JKevin Niehaus] 13:42
Is it your professional identity, and allowing them to kind of figure out what part of them is being hurt? And then helping them learn the skills to kind of advocate for that?

[Jon Dabach] 13:52
So you kind of advocate compartmentalizing those different parts of their identity so that they can, so that what’s the goal there so that they can approach it with more confidence and clarity?

[JKevin Niehaus] 14:02
Yeah, it’s about the insight, right? Because once you know it’s there, if you’re triggered is you can kind of be you gain the control of how you respond. Right. Yeah. Back to your question about the couples, right? Sometimes like fighting, right, that’s the first thing I’ve worked with couples is like, tell me how you fight.

[JKevin Niehaus] 14:20
You’re either fighting for resolution or you’re fighting to win. Right? And usually, it’s exploring all those different parts of them, like their professional identity, like how do you do things like at work? How do you, you know, deal with things that your family because that is probably being triggered in your relationship?

[Jon Dabach] 14:38
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s interesting, you know, being someone who was just born as a cisgender heteronormative. I never have to really worry about micro aggressions or worrying about people’s approval. So it’s just a non-part of my identity because it’s just on I guess, stuck in neutral where you don’t have to worry about it.

[Jon Dabach] 14:59
So that’s just another part of someone’s identity in a relationship like that, is navigating the family structure, a big part of most types of relationships that have kind of a non-quote unquote normative approach to sexuality?

[JKevin Niehaus] 15:16
Well, I think yes and no, because you have, you know, you have different versions of intimacy, right, you have the, how the family, you know, expressed emotional intimacy, right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 15:30
Then you have like group intimacy, where you feel like you belong, right. So, especially in males, right, gay, straight, everything in between, usually, we are taught that intimacy is physical. Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 15:44
That so it’s like, you connect by sexual intercourse, or some kind of sexual pleasure, where helping them feel that maybe group intimacy, where if you felt like you were the outside, or the black sheep, or the disappointment because of your sexuality, you might be craving that in the different environments, be it in the bars and your group that you have brunch with not to be stereotypical.

[JKevin Niehaus] 16:07
Or just seeking it. Right. So I’ve had a lot of couples who, yes, we’re good for a moment, but not really compatible, because they were holding on to each other as a life raft. They for the first time, they felt like they belong to someone, even if the relationship itself was toxic to them.

[Jon Dabach] 16:23
Got it? Super. Yeah, that’s really interesting. I’ve noticed that there’s, and tell me if you’ve noticed this, there’s this huge shift in expectations going into relationships lately, over the last 10 years I’ve seen, you know, the family like the people typically getting married expecting to have kids and sharing their life and sharing their finances was kind of normal. And it’s drifted away from that.

[Jon Dabach] 16:49
So she electing not to have children has become much more popular. How has how has that changed? In the the in your community I’ve seen anecdotally. So I haven’t done any research. But the idea of having just a two partner monogamous relationship, and that community is, is getting a little more flexible. Am I accurate in my observation, or am I totally off base here?

[JKevin Niehaus] 17:14
I mean, I think I think it’s even more general than just our community, I think what you would see is, a lot of people are becoming more authentic, right? So like, from a developmental standpoint, like we all hit 25. And it’s like, all of a sudden, we’re tracking social media. We’re like, crap, so and so got married, and I’m over here working on my professional route, and I’m a VP at 26.

[JKevin Niehaus] 17:40
But I’m not married. I don’t have children. Right. And I think it’s one of those things that people are for once allowed to be authentic. If they don’t want kids gay, straight, everything in between. They’re like, I don’t really see it. Where before, there was a lot of societal pressure to do it.

[JKevin Niehaus] 17:57
And it’s kind of like the movement has said stop asking women when they’re ovulating, subduing that, and right? Allow someone to be mindful and habit. I think with the LGBTQ plus community, it’s for once access is there, right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 18:13
Like, doesn’t matter, my sexuality, your sexuality, we, we are still promised things as little children like, Oh, we’re gonna be this and we’re gonna have a partner. Right? We, I might have married the girl next door, right at five. But that doesn’t mean that was gonna be my long term partner.

[Jon Dabach] 18:31
I feel this firsthand. I mean, I got married before Tinder existed. And before all these apps existed, and so and I, I am, you know, like, I find myself when people bring it up, I’m just like, I honestly wouldn’t know what I would do with myself, the amount of opportunity that’s available now is so unfathomable to someone who didn’t have it, you know, I mean, we’re you could sit on your couch on a lazy boy in your pajamas, swiping through a phone, and meeting potential mates.

[Jon Dabach] 19:00
It’s like when I back in my day, and I used to put some cologne on get dressed, try to like present nice. It was a whole thing. And there was a whole section of the population, like you said, gay straight, that were honestly just too lazy. And they didn’t want to deal with it. So they just weren’t in relationships. And that’s kind of gone now.

[JKevin Niehaus] 19:20
I think it’s, I think now, access is there, even for the people who love to swipe. And again, I also got married before Tinder. So sometimes I find it fun to listen to my stories about swiping left and right. But I think from an access of being able to have children, right, like, like I have two children through surrogacy and navigating that process was a lot of like, just walking through the dark. Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 19:47
Yeah, finding out that some countries some even states in the US have laws that are like, nope, whoever the mother is, whoever gave birth is the mother and you know, if you want to do that, it could take six to 10 weeks in fact, foster care. And we were like, oh, that’s in our own country. Right.

[JKevin Niehaus] 20:04
But just the emerging information access, I think has created a way for some people to have this picture as family if they want it. For other people, I think it’s equally normative now that say, I don’t actually want that I kind of prefer that more income. And I like having a partner, I can come and go, right. So I think people are finally able to just be authentic. You know?

[Jon Dabach] 20:29
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. How does your business background kind of affect the way that you approach couples therapy or even individual therapy?

[JKevin Niehaus] 20:41
Sure. So that’s one of the things I typically tell my clients right from the get go. So I tend to be a naturally direct person already. And the funny thing is, like, if you do Myers Briggs, I am an EN TJ when it comes to business, like the executive, no emotions, like I can make decisions and be like, sorry, no, you know, like Tom Hanks said, there’s no crying in baseball, right? We just have to do it.

[JKevin Niehaus] 21:06
But as a therapist, I become an ENFP, which allows me to be more intuitive, more compassionate, more supportive. And in therapy, I tell my clients, I’m the type of person that is more direct, right? I love confrontation. I’m confrontational. What that means from a therapeutic standpoint is, John, you say you want to find a new job. But you sit around playing video games all day?

[JKevin Niehaus] 21:31
Like which one? Is it because you seem pretty happy not looking for a job. So why are we shaming ourselves? Right? And that kind of more direct approach allows people to say, Okay, you’re right, right, or No, I don’t agree with that. Right, we get to kind of challenge those cognitive distortions that they might have about it.

[JKevin Niehaus] 21:52
In addition to that, like, from a business standpoint, being trained in like budgeting and goals, I’m able to help my clients work on Okay, so let’s what you know, implementation intentions, you want to find change, let’s create your SMART goals, let’s walk ourselves through that.

[JKevin Niehaus] 22:09
One thing I often find with couples, is this bridge of almost like solution focus, like what works in this arena, in your corporate setting that you’re struggling to do in your intimate setting, right? Like if, you know, Joe from accounting sends you a nasty email, like I told you to stop doing this. Naturally from, you know, the PC version is, we draft the email, we say it, we review it, we might send it to somebody to kind of like, I’m not going to get in trouble,

[Jon Dabach] 22:40
Right? This to mean is this too.

[JKevin Niehaus] 22:43
But we don’t give that same level of energy to our own partners, or our own personal problems, right. So sometimes the business world will allow me to work with people who are like, Yeah, I would never send that email to Joe in accounting, I would like filter and sit down.

[JKevin Niehaus] 22:56
And I was like, but yet you confronted your partner yesterday on like, not doing something in you went for the jugular? Right. So what are some things and like using those kinds of skills and transferable actions, I can kind of blend that into their, their personal life? Does that make sense? Thinking

[Jon Dabach] 23:13
Of that one specific example? Sometimes? I you know, I see these little opportunities to explore that might help some listeners, why do you think we’re so vicious to the people we love the most in our lives?

[JKevin Niehaus] 23:28
Well, I think it can be

[Jon Dabach] 23:29
They can be.

[JKevin Niehaus] 23:31
I think it’s because those people make us feel safe. We get to be authentic, right? Like I imagine you’re your partner sees the good, the bad and the ugly with you. Right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[JKevin Niehaus] 23:45
So when we, when we’re exposed to that, for once, we don’t have to perform, right, we get to lay down, you know, the masks and the different identities. And if one is triggered, it’s like, I’m having a bad day. And you just expect that person to be like, don’t worry, I got it. But because we let on our masks, and we do it, they get the raw US version of us, right. So a lot of times like the focus becomes, okay, can you pause, right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 24:13
Can we go through the different perspectives or the narratives that says, you know, my wife forgot to do this, or my husband forgot to do that he always does this, right. And those kind of the scripts that we have running in our head, every little aggression that we deal with, then says, of course, it’s who they are. John never does the dishes.

[JKevin Niehaus] 24:31
He just leaves them in the sink every time. Right. Thus, the moment you have a you know, your partner has a grievance, you get the volcano. Right, right. Right. And so that’s one of the things that I definitely see that translation is pausing them in a way to be able to do that to see it clearly. What kind

[Jon Dabach] 24:50
of techniques and tips do you have for people to kind of recognize when they take that mask off? And listen, I’ve used that analogy too with the other man and I remember very distinctly one, client one saying. So you’re saying, when I take the mask off, the only thing left is this vicious monster that hates my husband?

[Jon Dabach] 25:11
And I said, No, I said, But you know, you’re tired at the end of the day. And sometimes you don’t have the energy to put on the happy wife mask where you have to actually, you know, be generous with your partner. So what’s the, you know, how do you teach your clients to recognize those moments in themselves and make a shift that actually sees a little bit of transformation in their life?

[JKevin Niehaus] 25:35
I think for me, it’s always focusing on the triggers, right? What are we responding to? And for me, anytime I hear someone says, oh, it’s like, the vengeance like, is there? I’m like, it’s not anger. It’s your sadness, right? Like, what is causing you that sadness to kind of feel because anger, you know, you got disgust, which is like, and I’d never do it. Anger is like, I don’t deserve this sadness goes, I didn’t really deserve that.

[JKevin Niehaus] 26:00
Why’d that happen? Right? And that fear kind of comes from like, I don’t ever want to feel this way again, right? Yeah. So one of the things I help the clients or people you know, who are close to me is, start speaking in your emotions, right?

 

[JKevin Niehaus] 26:13
Yeah, hey, I really don’t like when you just leave this in, it really makes me feel used or taken advantage of. Because once you give a voice to the sadness, you’ll start noticing some of the vengefulness go away, right? You’re not having to protect yourself, because anger is protective.

[JKevin Niehaus] 26:29
So when you find yourself angry a lot, you have to ask yourself, what are you protecting yourself from? Right? Our emotions were not there to make us happy. They were to keep us alive. Right? You know, so they still operate that way. Right? So helping a person or, you know, even partners, like I work with a lot of people with ADHD, right. And they trigger their partners a lot.

[JKevin Niehaus] 26:53
So I think its using education. And they say, here’s these are symptoms, these are triggers, right? And communicating that from a partner so they can call it out. So they can work on their narratives, but helping the client see things and say, Okay, I’m angry. I’ve had a bad day, I need to pause. I need to have a transition before I just walk into my door. Right? Even worse. Now, a lot of us are all remote. There is no door. Right?

[JKevin Niehaus] 27:17
You’re literally shutting your computer and entering your life. So when you used to sit in traffic for 2030, maybe an hour to kind of process your day. We don’t have that right now.

[Jon Dabach] 27:27
Yeah, absolutely. Why don’t you tell me a little bit about beach City’s mental health? I’d love to hear about the work you’re doing and and how we can all help?

[JKevin Niehaus] 27:36
Sure. So beach City’s mental health was a brainchild. It’s a nonprofit focused on two things really. So in the in the field of mental health, a lot of people don’t understand that. When we become therapist, right to graduate our program, we have to do like I think California is 550 hours. Typically you do that for free. Right? So one of the

[Jon Dabach] 27:58
Places if you’re like an MFT, it’s 1000s of hours, if you’re in psychology. Yeah, there’s tons. There’s tons of different variations. But yeah, it’s hundreds to 1000s of hours. Yeah.

[JKevin Niehaus] 28:07
And that’s after you finish. So you can get paid as an associate once you graduate. Right. So one of the things that Beach City is to create opportunities for people who are in school, right to kind of close the financial barrier to be able to see clients gain that clinical practice while still being able to work, right.

[JKevin Niehaus] 28:24
So on top of that, we also provide high quality therapy at a low sliding scale anywhere from 30 to $70. A session to kind of help people actually get in, get the help they need to start addressing some of these changes and the triggers, like you said, so they can kind of remove some stressors in their life.

[Jon Dabach] 28:45
That’s great. And are you what’s your active? You know, what are you guys trying to do at this time? Are you in the fundraising mode?

[JKevin Niehaus] 28:54
Yeah, so right now we are in a fundraising mode, we have a campaign called share the hour, which basically for every $20 raised basically gifts, a low income or client with a high deductible access to therapy, right.

[JKevin Niehaus] 29:08
So one of the things we have right now is for every $200 that we raise would basically allow someone in those categories to pay what they can or only pay their copay, and get 10 weeks of therapy so they can start working on whatever thing learn the skills, understand coping maybe better communication skills between them and their partners.

[Jon Dabach] 29:28
Sounds like a really noble cause. I’m glad I had a chance to share it with my audience. Um, where can they go to find out more?

[JKevin Niehaus] 29:35
So they can go to our website, which is beach cities and h.org. And on there, the site is got, you know, different things about us different campaigns, and there’s even a donate if they’re interested. And they can even learn a little bit more about our causes in the things that we’re doing.

[Jon Dabach] 29:54
That’s fantastic. Kevin Niehaus thank you so much for joining me it was it was super educational and fun. And I got a little nugget or two of wisdom that I might start workshopping and some of my sessions. Always good. Oh, you know, selfishly this is always the most educational for me I feel so thank you for sharing your time and your wisdom.

[Jon Dabach] 30:16
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