Special Guest: Mary England Uncustomary

Mary is a published author, life coach, event speaker, podcaster, and team building facilitator. She has two degrees in Psychology, a dozen psychological disorders, and has run her own business since 2013, where she created her own job title of Merriment Maker.

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[Jon Dabach] 00:00
Today on the relationship Revival Show, I’m joined by Mary Uncustomary, England. Mary is a published author, life coach events speaker podcaster and team building facilitator. She has two degrees in psychology, a dozen psychological disorders, and has run her own business since 2013. Where she created her own job title of Merryman maker, you’re listening to the relationship revival podcast with Jon Dabach, also known as Mr. Spirituality.

[Jon Dabach] 00:27
That’s me. I’m your host giving you insights and guidance from over 10 years in the field of this amazing journey we call romance on this show, I go over everything you need to know about how to get into a relationship, how to get the most out of a relationship, and sometimes even how to gracefully end a relationship without pulling your hair out and going crazy.

[Jon Dabach] 00:49
And occasionally, I’m even joined by new and old friends who are also relationship experts to bring you guidance and wisdom with new perspectives. Thanks for stopping by Mary uncustomary. England, thank you so much for being on the show. How are you doing today?

[Mary England] 01:04
Thanks for having me. I’m doing really great. How about you?

[Jon Dabach] 01:07
I’m great. I am excited, I’m pumped to talk about joy. I don’t talk about it nearly enough on this show. Because, you know, when whenever I have couples who come in conflict is always what kind of drives them not I shouldn’t say always, but most of the time, it drives them to kind of come to couples therapy or and so we have to deal with that. But I always tend to direct it and redirect it back to what would make you feel special.

[Jon Dabach] 01:33
What would make you feel whole in the relationship? And it’s pointing them to joy. I mean, you can sum it up, like what would make you happy? And let’s go after that. How did you get into this field of spreading and celebrating merriment that you’re in?

[Mary England] 01:54
I mean, I think most people get into anything that they’re in as a result of not doing that thing or experiencing that thing for themselves. And if they’re not, then they’re probably not a very good teacher of that thing. So my answer is that I was deeply, deeply mentally ill and still am, I don’t know that that necessarily goes away.


[Mary England] 02:17
I have a dozen disorders or neuro divergences, or however you want to say that. And those started around age eight. And I was incredibly unhappy, and had to kind of figure that out for myself, I did not have really any support from my parents, and they really just ignored all of that it was very, very smart and gifted. And it was like not really an option for me to have anything wrong with me, you know? So

[Jon Dabach] 02:50
I can I can I can I ask what the first kind of diagnosis are? Or like how it started when you were eight? What was the first thing that kind of like, was the red flag that said, hey, something’s a little different.

[Mary England] 03:00
Yeah, the first things were a combination of ticking. So I have Tourette’s and OCD were the first two things that were coming together. And those are actually really common to happen, comorbidity. So the tics were very obvious, and it was kind of something that, you know, one could ignore, and that was something that people were bringing to my parents and myself and showing to me, you know, like mirroring back.

[Mary England] 03:26
And it’s not something you could really ignore. And I was very, it’s very uncomfortable as well, it doesn’t feel good. And, yeah, those were hot, there’s still happen. That’s something that doesn’t really necessarily go away. But anyway, they weren’t very helpful. And it wasn’t necessarily diagnosed either, because they wouldn’t do anything about it. So I had to beg to go to therapy when I was 15 years old. And

[Jon Dabach] 03:59
Seven years, you were struggling on your own, essentially. Oh, wow, that’s rough.

[Mary England] 04:04
Yeah. And that led to an enormous amount of other complications, like depression, and an eating disorder and self-harm and suicide ideation and attempts. And, you know, because when things aren’t taken care of them, you know, go out into other ways.

[Mary England] 04:20
So. And that’s really like the beginning of that story and how it kind of manifests into other things. And I think, I don’t know, because of my experience in that world, and, you know, it’s not like I wouldn’t have necessarily had a different time if my parents had intervened.

[Mary England] 04:41
You know, maybe, maybe it would have you know, if they would have taken me to like a specialist or something, you know, it could have changed maybe, but I still would have these natural biological impulses or whatever you want to call them, right?

[Mary England] 04:56
Yeah. But I regardless have explained against this different brain, and body. And I think regardless, that would have made me feel unhappy in my own body. And when you experienced that, like bodily it’s like almost like a dissociation or you feel like your bodies betraying you a little bit.

[Mary England] 05:22
I think people experience that with chronic illness as well. Yeah. But because of that, I, you know, I was so unhappy. And I just realized over time that I needed to do something about it. When I was in my 20s. I was so unhappy that I was like, dissociating from my body. And I was doing this thing called dissociative fugue. So I like ended up in fields without my shoes on and stuff.

[Jon Dabach] 05:49
And I states, I think they call it right, yeah.

[Mary England] 05:52
So I would, I was just trying to like just repulse everything and leave. And I just knew something had to shake and change. So I started going to cognitive behavioral therapy. And I did some really intense stuff where I kind of just made more space in my brain, over a six month period, it was really, really intense and tough.

[Mary England] 06:13
And just, it’s kind of like exposure therapy, where you if you were scared of a snake, you kind of just like do different steps of how you can be pro with the snake, you would try to like look at a snake and then the holdest snake and then be in a room with the snake and then maybe get a snake as a pet, if that was your anxiety. So I would do stuff where, you know, I couldn’t, I had these irrational fears about things that I couldn’t do for like obsessive compulsive rituals and stuff, the idea that I couldn’t make a full circle with my body.

[Mary England] 06:39
So my homework would be walk around a table, and it seems insane that that’s homework, but that’s what I would have to do. And after that six month period, I graduated from that program. And all of a sudden, my body felt like I was a different person almost. And I had all this space, and I didn’t feel like a walking symptom anymore.

[Mary England] 07:00
And I started like, what do I do with this? It’s like when you quit a job or something, and you have more, like more time, but I had no space in my body. So I didn’t know what to do. And I started creating, like I did when I was a kid. And then I started blogging about that and documenting.

[Jon Dabach] 07:17
How old were you when this six month stretch happen?

[Mary England] 07:21
I was 2023.

[Jon Dabach] 07:26
So eight years old, you’re just I want to get the timeline. Because it’s yeah, it’s fascinating. So eight year old, eight years old things were showing up didn’t have anything till 15. And then from 15 to your early 20s, the CBT, or whatever you were doing had maybe some impact, but not significant.


[Mary England] 07:44
To 23. There was just medication and basic, like talking therapy, there was nothing really in there. And the CBT shows up at 23 for a six month period. And that’s really what fixed me honestly, not fixed. But you know, like that 15 or 20 changed your life. Right? Changed my life? Absolutely. Yeah. So that 15 to 22 was like a it was a management period, and barely anything.

[Mary England] 08:08
And 23 was yeah, it was a life changer. And it saved me. And that’s when I started blogging and everything started shifting people were like, why are you doing this? Where is this coming from? Because I was doing the street art that was coming out of nowhere was bizarre. I was doing like, I was yarn bombing things where you knit stuff and like wrap it around poles and I didn’t even know why I was doing that.

[Mary England] 08:30
And I was putting like, I was putting like I was filling up like socks and putting red shoes on them and acting like they were like the Wizard of Oz. Feet. You know, like under like Dorothy, the witches’ feet under Dorothy’s thing, just a crazy weird stuff was putting googly eyes on everything.

[Mary England] 08:47
But for people putting googly eyes on stuff. And nobody knew why it was doing anything. It was it was very absurdist art and stuff. And that people were asking because blogging was cool back then, and, and people were engaged still. And I told them, you know what was happening. And I started explaining this journey. And I guess it was like, I guess I’m liking myself again. This is what’s happening.

[Mary England] 09:08
And it kind of became really popular. And that’s where my blog was born. And then six months later, I ended up quitting my job and starting this as a business. And that’s all started.

[Jon Dabach] 09:20
Well, that leads us to kind of the world of merriment making. Let’s define it. How do you what is that? I define

[Mary England] 09:29
Merriment making as embodying joy, creating joy and spreading joy? And we can’t really do any of that if we’re not also looking at the things that limit us and being able to, you know, examine our fears and be able to be real about the logistics involved with that. So I’m clear about, you know, our real life circumstances and you know, the 123 Three steps, the tangible and the theory involved in that, but it’s really about needing to feel good so that we can do good.

[Jon Dabach] 10:10
And how do you how do you teach that? How do you help people kind of get them? Because you do so much people, people who aren’t familiar with your group, and with all your coaching and events, they like that it’s the amount of work that Mary has put into this and send continues to on a regular basis is, I couldn’t do it. I mean, I was just talking to her before the interview, like how do you do all this? It’s, it’s amazing to me,

[Mary England] 10:36
It’s insane. Honestly, it’s weird, because what even when I try to give myself an elevator pitch, or explain what I do to people, it takes a little bit, because it’s not, it’s not a one sentence thing. I’ve never been a one sentence kind of person. I just did an interview with a photographer who had no semblance or no understanding or background for who I was, and it took him a very long time to get what I was doing. And part of me is bothered by that a little bit, you know, because I don’t fit into anything.

[Mary England] 11:08
And part of me is like, No, but that’s actually really cool. But it does make it a little harder for people to get on board, I think, because it’s not as clear. And I am working on that. But how I teach it is ultimately no different than any personal development, you know, system or program, I think, you know, it’s, it’s just straightforward in terms of the modality or logistics, and if you’re wondering about that, you know, it’s like, it’s a masterclass, it’s a video, it’s a, it’s a podcast, or a worksheet or something like that. I’m very clear about that.

[Mary England] 11:46
But in terms of the method, I mean, I’m making sure that we are, I’m teaching people how to be kind, and how to create good news, how we are thinking about, like, we’re always, we always have these beliefs in our head of like, I’m a kind person, you know, of course, I’m a kind person, and then we go out in the world, and we see someone dropped something. And it’s like, Yeah, but I’m busy.

[Mary England] 12:15
You know, I’m too busy to do that, like, not today. Not today. I can’t not right now. And it’s like, well, how many times can you say Not today? Before you are no longer a kind person? You don’t I mean, like, Where does the cognitive dissonance step in? Where how long?

[Mary England] 12:31
Can you say that you are a poet? And how many years? Can you not write poems before you were just not a poet anymore? Right. And I’m kind of here to like, insert the idea of, if you want good news, let’s go create some ourselves. Let’s stop waiting for it. Let’s stop complaining about all the bad news. And let’s make some

[Jon Dabach] 12:53
It’s a great approach. I think that I always tell my clients something very similar that happiness is a skill. And it’s like any other skill, you have to exercise it to make it strong. And so that goes completely. I mean, I think we’re in lockstep the idea of go create the good news that you want in your life. I think that’s a brilliant and it’s empowering, right?

[Jon Dabach] 13:14
I think a lot of people think of joy or merriment or as something that just kind of happens upon you. And the idea that you can go out and create it for yourself is incredibly empowering. It’s an incredibly powerful message for people


[Mary England] 13:29
and extends, you know, I think we can think about this as Yeah, I can go write a sticky note and give it to someone is like a very simple tote bag, inspiration, idea of kindness of random act of kindness, I could post on, you know, Instagram or whatever. And that’s wonderful.

[Mary England] 13:46
But this idea of creating good news isn’t just this Instagram activism, either it is something that extends throughout your all areas of the wheel of your life, it’s for you as well. The good news that you want to see needs to be available for you, in all permeations of you.

[Mary England] 14:09
So what good news do you want to see in your relationship? What good news do you want to see in your health? What good news do you want to see if you’re, if your life was a newspaper? And you woke up today to see what was on page six for you? What good news do you want to see?

[Mary England] 14:25
And like, how can you make that happen? Because you are in charge, like you said, you have to create the good news. Like you have to create joy, joy is the skill that you need to like the muscle that you need to work. And I am also like I have degrees in psychology, I worked at a psychiatric rehab center for five years.

[Mary England] 14:44
And I have you know, a dozen of these disorders myself. So I am also not coming at this from I know that I dress the way that I do and I know because I know so much about psychology, I know that we have like a 10 second law or less than a 10th of a second to I make a first impression.

[Mary England] 15:01
And so much of that is done by our clothing and our physical appearance. And I know that because I do present as very colorful and potentially frivolous, that people don’t always take the way that I’m speaking or the way that I sound or what I am saying to be as commanding or as powerful or as effective as it could be.

[Mary England] 15:23
And I take that into consideration. So I always just want to like be clear that what I am saying is always grounded, and backed by scientific and psychological research. And I just presented in the way that’s like fun.

[Jon Dabach] 15:36
Yeah, for sure. I think that’s important to note. I mean, there’s, you don’t want to think that the person is just like, Let’s go color today, because I feel like it, you know, it’s like there’s, there’s some deep clinical research behind it.

[Jon Dabach] 15:51
Do you ever get to the point where you have people you’ve worked with, where they take it to the other extreme, where everything becomes about joy, and there’s this sense of inner celebration where maybe they neglect certain responsibilities? I’m just I don’t know if that’s ever happened? Because maybe, you know, maybe the people who do come to you don’t have that issue. But has it hasn’t come up before?

[Mary England] 16:17
I don’t think that I’ve ever gotten to the point where I’ve been working with someone where they get so far, in a chronic sense, like a long term sense that that becomes something when they’re working with me, no, I think at first the thing that comes to mind is that when we ever work on anything, we tend to overcorrect a boundary.

[Mary England] 16:43
And what most people are common place to do is used gratitude practices and these quote unquote, good vibes only practices as a overcorrected band aid for negative or quote unquote, toxic energy. And we establish too much of a boundary wall and these, what I’m starting to see as like using HR language, in relationships, and kind of just losing the nuance of love and connection and ourselves.

[Mary England] 17:23
And I think that is the more of the danger because if you do continue to work with me or yourself, you will, over time realize that there is nuance, and that’s something that I really, really strive to teach with Merriman making is that I am an optimist, but I am a practical optimist.

[Mary England] 17:41
This is all about circumstance, and nothing is black or white. It’s all very gray. But if you sometimes I mean, when you come out of something that’s really horrible. You want to be like, okay, gratitude working, let’s go all in with gratitude. Let’s do good vibes only. And you can only do that for so long. Before that it becomes the toxic thing. Does that make sense?

[Jon Dabach] 18:04
Yeah, that doesn’t make sense. People you’re and you see it all the time with whatever you’re teaching with, you know, people who are have addiction issues, and they they’re like, I’m going to work out and then the workout becomes the addiction is

[Mary England] 18:16
Just going to say like, anything can become heroin, you know, yoga is the heroin now, it doesn’t really matter.

[Jon Dabach] 18:23
Yeah, yeah, I totally see. What’s, what do you find is the, maybe the age because, listen, when you’re a kid, everybody has that pursuit of joy? Well, not everybody. But I mean, the vast majority of us have this kind of pursuit of just joy and exploration and adventure and, and wonder. And then at a certain point, it goes away. And we get stuck in, I guess, the adult mind. Right.

[Jon Dabach] 18:54
And so there’s this kind of resentment towards that sense of exploration. Do you find that it happens at different times for people? Do you go back and trace steps of where they lost a sense of it? Or do you go back to having like, that childlike sense of wonder or is it different as an adult to kind of have a new approach to joy and Merryman?


[Mary England] 19:16
Well, those are two different questions. But so I mean, it is different for everyone. And I think there’s a couple things that you can find where that happens for people. I think the first thing is asking them where they first felt that their confidence in their own autonomy was shaken.

[Mary England] 19:37
So like, I can ask you, like, where did you know that your truth was something that you had to second guess? Like if you were told, like you, you saw something? For example, you saw that this truck was blue, and you told your mom, Oh, I saw the blue truck and they were like, actually, that trucks red and you said no, the trucks blue and they said I don’t care the trucks red.

[Mary England] 20:04
And you had to reconcile with this dissociation and this dissonance of I know that I believe that I saw that the truck was blue. And my mom who I trust, and I’m supposed to understand is this figure for me, someone that I believe and trust is telling me something completely different. And now I have to come to terms with the fact that I have to either trust that the truck is blue in my heart, or trust my mom. And there’s this point that happens. And obviously, the situation is usually not as simple as a color, it’s usually something much bigger than that. But you can come back to that point.

[Mary England] 20:41
And I think that is one big moment where we can notice where you start to lose that sense of innocence. And that feeling of childlike wonder and awe, that’s a very big moment. And that can happen at as young as like four or five or 12, it doesn’t really matter that’s very unique.

[Mary England] 20:56
The other one is when you are told, like when you need to begin accepting more responsibility than is like kind of appropriate, which is a really stupid word for your age, you know, like when you need to start working, so to speak, when you’re supposed to, like start, maybe even taking care of someone older than you. I think a lot of people have, like a caregiver complex when they’re growing up.

[Mary England] 21:22
And maybe they need to start putting someone into bed or taking care of someone who’s sick or even just like hearing something that’s, you know, to adult for them. We are, as children kind of taken advantage of in a lot of situations and told to be a little bit more adult than we are. And I think that those are two big things that we overlook, and children are seeing a need, children need to be safer, and protected a lot more than they are. And those are two really big things that happen as children.

[Jon Dabach] 21:51
Well, let’s type when you say they need to be kept more safe and protected. What do you mean by that? I think that’s a that’s something that I don’t want to just gloss over. Because that’s the point.

[Mary England] 22:01
I mean, obviously physically, you know, that’s I think that goes without saying, but I mean, by that I mean vary. So if I’m around a child, if you’re around a child, and you have the, you know, you kind of just like a naturally want to be aware of your language a little bit more when you’re around in the presence of a child, maybe you want to like if you can’t, and you try not to curse or maybe you even like raise your tone of voice a little bit just like the volume you like, you have like a little it’s like that baby talk feeling like it’s like, changes.

[Mary England] 22:37
Yeah, it’s a pitch. Yeah, it changes a little bit. Now imagine like, if that was happening, it that doesn’t, that can’t happen all the time. If you’re a parent, right? Like, that just doesn’t happen. Because you’re in a state of constant because you can’t be on so to speak all the time. But that is that urge that you’re feeling to do that when you’re like around a new child is what they want. That’s what they want.

[Mary England] 23:01
They want to be they want to perform for you. They want to show you what they want. They want to like feel safe around you and that feeling of you wanting to like protect them. That’s that that pitch going up that though I want to like not saying anything weird around you, I want to like if you’re if you have that that energy that capsule of saying, Hey, what is it? Hey, but like if you have all the energy in the world for that one little person and you’re like, what’s up, buddy? Like, tell me what you want?

[Mary England] 23:31
And like the parents like I don’t have energy for this, right? It’s like that ant versus mom energy. If you could be that person for that child all the time? How amazing would their self-esteem be? I’m not saying that it’s realistic. I’m saying that that’s what they need more of. And that’s the safety factor, I think.

[Mary England] 23:51
And but it goes so far that sometimes they we, we forget that we need to be on a little bit for kids. And we go and tell them or show them or allow them to witness things that are so beyond above their pay grade.

[Jon Dabach] 24:10
Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s a great point. I mean, I have four kids myself, and you know, it’s funny, but like the firstborn that gets more of that pitch versus the fourth born that’s less well, the third, you know, the second, third. And then the fourth, you’re like, it’s my last shot. And then so you overcompensate. Right, which is

[Mary England] 24:29
Why are we laughing right now? It’s because it’s uncomfortable, because it’s a joke, because it’s like, you know, and it’s like its funny, but it’s horrifying. Yeah, you know,

[Jon Dabach] 24:40
It is a little scary. And you see it because it’s like, oh, now we got to now we got to correct some of that. And how do I build the child’s confidence back up and it feels like it’s unfair. And then it starts bringing up your own biases, like well, I was a second born my wife was a firstborn. It’s

[Mary England] 24:54
An excuse. It’s, it’s all an excuse and it’s not the children’s fault. You decided to have four children. You know, it’s like, the kid doesn’t know that kid’s going to grow up and the kid’s going to think like, why? You know? And that kid’s going to be like, well, you know, and it’s just it’s a whole thing. So the kids need as much of that like pitch bubble that Aunt energy versus mom energy as they can muster as they grow up.

[Jon Dabach] 25:16
It’s so I think a great example, the other night, my youngest asked me who the favorite was, and it’s like a running joke in my house that we always try to tell each kid they’re the favorite in their own personal private time. And I whispered it to her and it wasn’t good enough anymore.

[Jon Dabach] 25:30
She’s like, No, you just say it out loud in front of everybody. I’m just like, Oh, she’s got on. No, so like, this bubble is going to burst. What do I do now? And I didn’t have a good answers. She ran away crying, because, you know, and it’s like, okay, so And you’re right, like protecting that bubble, protecting that vision, you know, protecting that pitch that you have is it’s very fragile.

[Jon Dabach] 25:52
And I think, you know, people underestimate how fragile it is, as adults, I see it all the time in couples work, where we get just like, you know, that you have a pitch for your kids, you should have a pitch, you should have a tone for your partner. And people get complacent, and they get rough, and they get angry. And then they come to me after they’ve been together for 19 years.

[Jon Dabach] 26:14
And like, I don’t understand what she doesn’t like to talk to me anymore. And I’m like, what, because you’re talking like that? And it’s like, oh, yeah, we got to slow down and stop. And, and that’s, that’s a big part of daily life and relationships, I think with you. What’s interesting is it’s first and foremost a relationship with yourself.

[Mary England] 26:32
Yeah. And I think the inner child as well, because this whole thing we forget, I think part of Marinette making really is that I’m so aware that none of us were prepared to be adults. No one was, none of us knew that we were going to have to like, be the ones that were going to fill the toilet paper like that you were going to grow up and you were going to get money. We were excited about that.

[Mary England] 26:58
And but then you were going to use that money to buy toilet paper. We weren’t, we were excited to get money for candy and toys. But now we don’t even have that money for that we have to we have to do it. We have to go to work. And we have to use that money for boring stuff. Are you kidding? This is annoying. No one talked to us about this. No one talked to us about our back’s hurting. Or the toilet paper like this is so ridiculous. We didn’t we didn’t go to school for toilet paper. This is so dumb.

[Mary England] 27:31
And, and not only that, but like we were when we grew up, we had that innocence shaken out of us. So many people work in that bubble. So we all have this, like weird traumas and all these like individual stuff, things that we’re going through. And the world is like a whole thing, you know, and there’s so much stuff that we’re all dealing with on a regular basis.

[Mary England] 27:51
And it’s like, can we just breathe for just a second? And like, how do we have like a little existential crisis of joy? Just a little bit, like in a day, just like just a second. Remember that we’re like alive for a moment on a weird Blue Marble that’s floating in something that we can’t really describe. And kind of embrace like a little bit of optimistic nihilism for just a second and be like, what if it doesn’t matter? Isn’t that beautiful? Isn’t couldn’t that be nice for just a second?

[Mary England] 28:23
If nothing matters, if we’re going to get that far down? Could that be wonderful? What if that’s liberating? What if everything is nothing? I don’t know. Isn’t that lovely? I don’t know. And we can say that everything matters. And

[Mary England] 28:36
Isn’t that lovely? What if both are true? I don’t know. And I don’t know if we have this inner child that is so needing us. Then what are we doing about it? Like what No, we didn’t go anywhere. It just grew up with us. Every single thing that we need comes back to this little kid that’s just mad or sad, or bullied. And we just need to love them more. I don’t know.

[Jon Dabach] 29:09
I think it’s a great thought it’s a great question to leave people with for sure. The best way for people to get a hold of you and start working with you. I think you have an amazing membership going on. Right now. Do you want to talk a little bit more about the membership it’s on uncustomary.org Things slash forward slash movement right is that the link help people kind of a little bit of peel back the curtain what they can expect if they if they become a member?

[Mary England] 29:39
Yeah, so it’s called the merriment makers and you get you get a Facebook group community, but if you don’t do social media, you can get everything on teachable as well. But you get every week we do a measurement mission. And it’s like a five step thing where you get to go out and do like a random act of kindness. Make your good news. And there’s a printable that that comes with that and everything.

[Mary England] 30:04
But there’s also 20 other resources that happen every single month. So it’s kind of like you’re getting a new course every month on a completely new topic. And it’s through the lens of merriment making, but it’s like self-love. So this month we’re doing how to dress for joy. And next month, we’ll do how to experience pleasure. And then, you know, other months we’ve done, you know, just how to spread good news or how to celebrate life or how to play you know, it’s just all different lenses of that.

[Mary England] 30:33
And there’s things about, you know, there’s fillable workbooks, there’s masterclasses, there’s journaling prompts, there’s meditations, there’s EFT, tapping, there’s a chat, there’s a newsletter that comes to your house, there’s texting if you’re in the United States. I mean, it’s, and it’s truly a whole experience. I mean, it’s a very all-inclusive experience. It’s quite amazing.

[Mary England] 30:58
There’s a free trial for a week, if you if you want to just give it a test whirl. Honestly, I can’t talk more about it. Because it’s, it’s a whole thing. I’ve never really seen a membership group like this.

[Jon Dabach] 31:10
Yeah, that’s what I was talking about a little bit earlier, as you’ve put so much work, and you continuously put so much work in that it’s the most, you know,

[Mary England] 31:18
You get access to all the archives to like, it’s like, and I can’t even talk about how much of it as soon as you get it. And it’s just immediate

[Jon Dabach] 31:23
or custom, most content rich, like it’s clear that you care, you know, like there are memberships in other in other parts of the world on joy, or on meditation or on little things.

[Jon Dabach] 31:34
And then oftentimes you get this feeling of you join and then you’re like, is this really worth it? I don’t think you can do that. And with yours, where you join in, you’re like, you’re like I don’t know, it’s like, oh, in fact, the other way, it’s like, wow, I got like the bargain of the century. Here

[Mary England] 31:48
It is. So I sometimes I’ll join and it’s like twice as much as mine. And it’s like five resources like for the whole thing. And this is 20 resources, at least every month, plus all the archives it’s an it’s surely insane. I don’t know, I’m, let’s

[Jon Dabach] 32:03
Just to draw, I’ll put all the I’ll put the links in some more information in the in the show notes. But just verbally to put it out. Again, it’s uncustomary.org\movement. Is there anything else you want to share before we sign off?

[Mary England] 32:18
I don’t know. Just keep feeling good. Because you know, the more that you make yourself feel good, then the more we can go out and continue to do good things. And that is part of what I believe marrying that making is I think, a lot of self-love and personal development, things don’t hurt harness the idea of the end game being to give back at the end of it.

[Mary England] 32:41
You know, it’s a lot of like manifesting and self-love. And that is very important. But I want to make sure that we are at the end of the day, making sure that the end goal here is to go create good news, not just for ourselves, but for other people. And we can’t do that until we feel good. But the goal here is to do well at the end. So feel good, so you can do well.


[Jon Dabach] 33:01
Well said Mary uncustomary thank you so much for being with us. If you’re interested in learning how to get the absolute most out of your romantic relationships then you’re in luck because I have put together a free workshop or masterclass if you will about three secrets that people in happy relationships have discovered.

[Jon Dabach] 33:22
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