Special Guest: Tracy Cox

Doctor of Divinity, Ontario Licensed Clergy, Spiritual Wellness Coach and Reiki Master Teacher. Featured author in Reiki Rays and Universal Life Magazines.

Rev. Dr. Tracy has been working spiritually with clients worldwide for over 25 years. She uses research from her doctoral dissertation to help them overcome challenges and understand how to improve their lives on all levels. Rev. Dr. Tracy also performs weddings, funerals, and all other spiritual services in her home province of Ontario, Canada. For more information, please see her website at www.revdrtracycox.com

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[Jon Dabach] 00:00
Today on the relationship Revival Show, I’m joined by Tracy Cox. Tracy is a Doctor of Divinity and Ontario licensed clergy and a spiritual wellness coach and Reiki master teacher she’s a featured author in Reiki reigns and Universal Life magazines, and Reverend Dr. Tracy has been working spiritually with clients worldwide for over 25 years.

[Jon Dabach] 00:23
She uses research from her doctoral dissertation to help them overcome challenges and understand how to improve their lives on all levels. Reverend Dr. Tracy also performs weddings, funerals and all other spiritual services in her home province of Ontario, Canada.

[Jon Dabach] 00:39
For more information, you can visit her on the web at Reverend Dr. Tracy cox.com. You’re listening to the relationship revival podcast with Jon Dabach, also known as Mr. Spirituality. That’s me. I’m your host giving you insights and guidance from over 10 years in the field of this amazing journey we call romance on this show, I go over everything you need to know about how to get into a relationship, how to get the most out of a relationship, and sometimes even how to gracefully end a relationship without pulling your hair out and going crazy.

[Jon Dabach] 01:12
And occasionally, I’m even joined by new and old friends who are also relationship experts to bring you guidance and wisdom with new perspectives. Thanks for stopping by. Tracy Cox, Reverend Dr. Tracy Cox, thank you so much for being on the show.

[Tracy Cox] 01:28
Thank you so much for having me.

[Jon Dabach] 01:29
I, you are the first Doctor of Divinity, the first Reverend on the show. And I’ve focused very heavily for several months on looking at therapists and looking at psychiatrists, even though my shows called you know, or my nickname was Mr. Spirituality. And

[Tracy Cox] 01:49
Yeah, I love that name. By the way, it’s a great, it’s a great name. And

[Jon Dabach] 01:52
you know, it plays it informs a lot of what I do, anyone who’s listened to the show for more than a couple episodes know that I was on track to be an Orthodox Jewish rabbi. And, you know, still just awesome, thanks. And it’s still, it’s still informs a lot of what I do, even though I don’t keep very rigorous Jewish practice, I still have what I feel is a personal relationship to God. And so I was like, you know what, let’s get a little bit more of a voice from someone who takes it seriously and makes it a part of their world. And you yourself are married?

[Tracy Cox] 02:26
Yes, I’ve been married for 23 years, almost 23 years, we’ve been together for 25. So I

[Jon Dabach] 02:30
Guess the first question kind of start things off is what role does God and spirituality play in your own marriage?

[Tracy Cox] 02:39
Well, it’s, it is a huge part because we both when we got together, I was looking for somebody that actually did believe in God, and that had a strong faith. And my husband was like that. So and he was very much the way that I am that when I have when I talk about God, I want to have a personal relationship with God.

[Tracy Cox] 03:00
I’m not talking about religion, I’m talking about my connection with demand and with God with the angels. It’s so important. So if you had somebody that didn’t believe the same way that you do about that, if you’re passionate, that’s going to be a pretty tough nut to crack, I think, yeah. In a in a relationship, eventually there’s going to be some pushback, I would think. So that’s kind of where we started.

[Jon Dabach] 03:26
Is that part of the dialogue that you guys have on a daily basis? Or weekly basis?

[Tracy Cox] 03:30
Yeah, absolutely. I believe that it was. We always would study scripture first thing in the morning, like, it’s always been what I’ve done forever.

[Tracy Cox] 03:42
I was very much into the writings when I was a teenager of like, Catherine Ponder, if you’ve ever heard of her, Florence, Scovel Shinn, they were metaphysical writers that talked more about God and spirituality, as opposed to God and religion, and using it for the good in your life, and trying to focus and have God as your copilot, essentially, instead of trying to do everything through force of human will, which a lot of the time people fall into the trap of that. So we were coming from the same place.

[Tracy Cox] 04:18
And I think that that really built a strong foundation because like, in any marriage, you get a lot of times when the rubber hits the road that things are very stressful. And if you don’t have something to rely on together, it can be very different. Yeah.

[Jon Dabach] 04:32
Yeah. I agree with you. I think even in my own marriage, sometimes the only thing it felt like we had was that spiritual connection. Exactly like oh, man, that we would have been toast.

[Tracy Cox] 04:45
Sure, but the thing is, is that that’s the connection that we need to build on for marriage. It doesn’t, doesn’t kind of eventually get that way. It needs to start that way. You know, so if somebody is doesn’t believe the same way that you do? I can’t see how you could have a long term relationship?

[Jon Dabach] 05:02
Well, let me ask you this. So I’ve had this happen a couple of times, and it’s never easy in, in my practice where couples have been together 1020 years. And one of the two of them have either an illness or a traumatic event, or sometimes that unaware, they, you know, I, one time I saw it even just because of COVID, you know, their reaction to something in their life gives them this transformative moment where they start exploring spirituality.

[Jon Dabach] 05:36
And they kind of get to a point where they’re leaving their partner behind. And so you know, and it’s not I know what you’re saying, Yeah, beginning of a relationship where you’re this devout Catholic, who have always had a relationship with God in some way.

[Jon Dabach] 05:53
And you decided to marry a secularist Jew. And then 20 years later, you’re like, what was I thinking? This is, hey, we came from similar backgrounds, but now I’m in a different place. What would be your you know, as a coach, as a spiritual counselor? What would be your kind of way to try and save the marriage? Do you try to save the marriage? I mean,

[Tracy Cox] 06:13
Yeah, I think you do. Because if somebody has been together, they have some common ground, maybe they weren’t into spirituality or religion. That’s, you know, everybody has free will, and the way they live their life. And we all have different things that drive us. Yeah. And if somebody all of a sudden become spiritual, I think that you can still work with that if a person decides that they’re more secular, and they don’t want to get into it. But as long as they’re not making fun of the purse, sure, I think it can work.

[Jon Dabach] 06:41
Well. It’s funny that you say that, because I’ve found at least in the three or four times it’s come up in my practice, it’s the opposite. And as a as a Jew, because Judaism is loaded with its own, you know, stigmas and stuff, but for what I found is like, when you’re starting on this rise, you’re so excited about it, that you want your partner in. And so there’s more push to do from the spiritual side than the other side.

[Jon Dabach] 07:09
Because they’re used to saying, Well, look, if that’s what you believe, you know, like, they don’t make fun, but the conflict comes from, you don’t want to go to this meditative thing with me, you don’t want to go to this seminar with me, you don’t want to explore? So that’s he’s the harder part.

[Tracy Cox] 07:23
I think that that is a very good question. I think that the big part of a functional healthy relationship with somebody, whether it’s your mate or your parent, or your child, is that you tend to, you’ll do something one way or maybe you’ll bite your tongue, but you’ll just do it to spend time with that person. And everybody feels good.

[Tracy Cox] 07:49
They don’t have to know that you’re going a whatever you’re giving of yourself, it’s that self-sacrifice that creates the connection between people.

[Tracy Cox] 08:00
So I think that if you can be very generous with whoever you’re trying to connect with, and at least have an open mind and listen to them, then that’s going to go, you know, 100%, as long as the person can show they’re open minded, and that they’re not making fun of the person for their beliefs, and they’re actually experiencing it on some level with them, then, you know, that’s what life’s about.

[Tracy Cox] 08:25
And I think it’s true, you know, like, when your teenager brings you some memes that haha, and you’re just looking at it like, but you, you know, you think it’s funny, and you laugh, and you have a good time? And what will what do you think this is? Right? So it just opens the dialogue in a healthy way?

[Jon Dabach] 08:41
For sure. I think that’s a great approach. And if you don’t try to find the normalcy, try to find that common ground try to bond on the things that you do bond on, it sounds like is what you’re saying.

[Tracy Cox] 08:52
Exactly, exactly. And not just that, I think that a lot of making people feel comfortable and happy to be alive. And all that kind of stuff is using humor is accepting people’s different ideas. And as we do this, people see that they can be comfortable with you and be themselves with you. Even if you don’t, even if you don’t agree with what they’re saying. You’re being inclusive of them being able to say it.

[Tracy Cox] 09:18
And that’s what I find is been a really big problem with what’s going on culturally, right now is that people won’t even listen, if somebody’s got a different point of view. They’re like year and then they’ll, you know, call them a bunch of different names and shut them down instead of just listening for an open dialogue. And saying, you know, I understand that we each have freewill.

[Tracy Cox] 09:43
And we each are allowed to have different opinions about things and still sit down and break bread together. Like nobody. God never said that. We’re all going to agree on everything. 100% He said, Love thy neighbor. Okay, and if you want to take God out of it, then we can say the golden rule.

[Tracy Cox] 10:00
Yeah, but I one of the things that I like to do with my clients and couples, too, is that there’s a great meditation and all it is you think about the fact that if we all use that energy of love thy neighbor, or the golden rule, if you just want to do straight secular meditation, and just think about embodying the golden rule ourselves, and then embodying it in the way that we contact the direct people that we, you know, hit day to day with our lives.

[Tracy Cox] 10:32
And then if they did that, if all of humanity lived that golden rule, we would instantly be living in paradise again, we would instantly be in heaven again, we would instantly raise the vibration of the world, and stop all this nonsense that we’re going through right now. Because at this point, it’s just ridiculous. Like, we want peace, we just want to get along. We just want to, you know, be able to look after our kids and our families, and let everybody have a nice and blessed life. And that’s it. And it’s just the time for humanity is to just pull together.

[Tracy Cox] 11:08
And this is kind of the energy that I’m trying to bring in with people as just that love thy neighbor energy, just that golden rule energy. Like it would be a miracle. If everyone just began to live that way. You would see something miraculous happened. Yeah. And it’s not hard. It’s just at least don’t hurt people. Don’t be mean. It’s not like it’s a big deal. Right? I’m stuck. Yeah, exactly.

[Tracy Cox] 11:37
So that’s my thing right now. Yeah, I’m trying to it, it’s funny, because you start talking about peace and no more war and only using diplomacy. And all of a sudden, people are like, oh, what are you talking about? And how can you pray for this person? And it’s like, I can pray for that person, because he’s a part of humanity. And I want us to all get along, so that we don’t get our butts blown off. And, you know, just the fact that it’s such a radical idea now peace, I’m just kind of shot. Yeah. You know, but I’m still going to talk about peace. Yeah.

[Jon Dabach] 12:12
Listen, there’s everybody prays every religion in the world, no matter how violent that may seem odd to an outsider. One thing I found is every religion prays for peace, every single one exactly. We all want. It’s just somebody has a thorn in their side. And yeah, it was a little Oh, I

[Tracy Cox] 12:32
Think there’s a lot of people that are getting a lot out of what they’re doing. That’s all I’ll say. And, and we don’t know what goes on behind the curtain, right of the Great Oz. So we just have to pray and ask God to take care of it. Take care of us, keep us safe, keep our family safe, keep our country safe, and just let him do his thing. Because it’s just too big for any of us to do just on our own.

[Tracy Cox] 13:01
But that’s the thing. It’s the practical use of prayer is what I’m all about. So the second that you get stressed about it, I want my clients to instantly pray, as opposed to oh, God, you know, starting to spiral in that worry, is just instantly pray about and then just talk to God, like God is your best friend, and you want to get that information across to him, or her whatever you, you know, how you connect, we all connect differently to but get that dialogue going? Because it’s so funny.

[Jon Dabach] 13:35
So power, your little personal story that I haven’t shared before. My therapist, my first therapist years and years and years ago, you know, saw that I was struggling on the spiritual level. And I wasn’t so comfortable articulating in that way. And I was I was a screenwriter at the time. And you know, there’s a lot of rejection and things you deal with in Hollywood and stuff.

[Jon Dabach] 13:57
And he said, well, what do you like to and he said, well, why don’t you have a dialogue with God and script for him? And I said, okay, and I went home, and I wrote a script, and I came back and I gave him this, like, 50 page thing. And he’s like, what’s this? I’m like, this is me talking to God. And he laughed, he goes, Well, I guess you’re not afraid of homework. But it’s funny, like there. If you don’t like talking out loud, there are other ways you can write. You can journal. They’re

[Tracy Cox] 14:25
Actually precise. That’s another thing. Yeah, I’m working on a course actually on practical prayer so that people do use these different keys that that I’ve found in my own experience, and with my clients and members and friends, and they’re so easy to do.

[Tracy Cox] 14:44
And like you said, some of them involve writing because it is hard for some people to get it out verbally, or to even think of it in their head, but the writing puts it down in a way that they can connect to and sometimes it’s the most powerful way to go like amazed Same when you work.

[Jon Dabach] 15:01
When you work with clients as a coach or as a spiritual counselor, what, what do people or what do they typically find you for an ask in terms of goals when they start working with you?

[Tracy Cox] 15:13
Sure. Well, I have a lot of clients that have gone through trying to overcome relationships with narcissists, because that’s been my specialty for, you know, the last 10 years, just because I had a lot of people coming to me. And there was a real rise in narcissism at the time, about 10 years ago, I think people just became very, some people became much more self-centered.

[Tracy Cox] 15:39
And I think that that’s a lot of the problems that we’ve got in the world now is the rise of narcissism, people just doing things and not worrying about others. Well, I mean, we could go into the way that things are becoming increasingly secular and not religious. You know? Yeah, but I don’t know. That. I don’t know. Good question. Yeah. It’s a good question. I mean, I know that the people that are more interested in traditional values think that, that it’s because God is out of the school. And there’s nothing there’s no spiritual rhetor anymore. Yeah. It’s all external stuff, right?

[Jon Dabach] 16:23
Living I don’t know living in LA who are atheists are and I’ve a lot of very dear friends who are non-theists. One thing I always you know, you have to the humility is like, the first thing I look for, in somebody the sense of humility and humbleness. And when I find an atheist or non-theists, who’s humble and has that humility, I don’t get as nervous because I tell people, you know, it’s the one thing I’m always nervous is if you see him, especially a man, the male energy, like if you see a man who doesn’t believe in God, you maybe he believes he’s God, you know, and it’s like,


[Tracy Cox] 16:56
Well, yeah, I think that what I find about it is that when you meet an atheist a lot of the time they are more aggressive with their beliefs to us. Then like an evangelical whatever, somebody that’s a religious zealot, right, like they want you to know that there’s no God.

[Jon Dabach] 17:17
There has been there has been a very aggressive wave towards that tendencies. Me, you know, Christopher Hagen, exactly. Or hutch, what’s Hutchins? Oh, yeah. There was that like staunch even atheism? Yeah, right. For sure. I don’t like millage.

[Tracy Cox] 17:33
I just, I just, I just laugh because it’s a joke. I mean, I don’t understand the payoff. That’s the thing that I don’t understand the payoff.

[Jon Dabach] 17:44
Well, let’s get back to what you do. So getting over narcissists. And then how do you work with people like with that, do you know, with prayer and other forms? What’s that?

[Tracy Cox] 17:54
Oh, yeah, it’s they don’t need to believe in God, though. I’m just doing things like there’s simple breathing techniques to calm people down and to get them centered. People have been in a spiral of trauma that can be broken. They need to get away from the narcissist, there’s no world where staying with a narcissist is going to end with a happy ending. Because narcissists live and breathe, to create drama and everybody around them so that they can just sit back and laugh.

[Jon Dabach] 18:24
And if someone does have narcissistic personality disorder, I think it’s important to remind anyone listening that that’s not curable. That

[Tracy Cox] 18:33
Doesn’t they don’t think anything’s wrong with them. They think everything’s wrong with everybody else. Now, psychiatrists, I don’t know did you ever read that book by Amscot pack called people of the lie? It’s an amazing, amazing book.

[Tracy Cox] 18:46
And it was, yeah, amazing. And he was a psychiatrist. He’s passed away now. But he treated people that were the victims of narcissists. And he treated narcissists, or tried to, to at least see what was going on. And he just, it was a shocking book, it’s hard to describe, if you read it, he was also very devout. So he truly felt that they were evil, right? And no amount of change and no amount of treatment was ever going to change them.

[Tracy Cox] 19:21
Because they don’t think that they’re wrong. They think that everybody else is and it’s kind of a game to them to trip people up. It’s the way that they do business. And M Scott Peck thought that it was around the age of six that there was something traumatic that happened to them. And the way that they reacted was in a narcissistic fashion, and it was successful.

[Tracy Cox] 19:44
So at that age, they learned the manipulation paid off, and that’s how they ended up where they are now. And so because it’s a successful coping mechanism, they don’t want to change inch why would they want to change? It’s an ego construct that pays off for them every day. Nobody else though, doesn’t pay off or anyone else around them. But so a lot of people, they’re going through a divorce with a narcissist.

[Tracy Cox] 20:12
So there’s a lot of crazy trauma that’s happened. That is just they want to talk to somebody that is, like 100% confidential as clergy, but also has heard all this stuff before. Right? Yeah. So that’s what I get. Yeah, that’s what I get. Because otherwise you just go, you would just be going, this is all just a crazy, crazy story. You’re telling me. But if you’ve got experience with narcissists, you know, yeah, that’s par for the course for

[Jon Dabach] 20:41
Sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Talk to me about what a Doctor of Divinity is, what that schooling is like, why you decided that was something you wanted to pursue. I’m just personally fascinated. I don’t know how many people listening are. But I’m sure that if I’m fascinated, I’m sure there’s someone else who is sure.

[Tracy Cox] 21:00
So it was about 35 years ago that I started teaching, yoga and guided meditation at a place called the King Ranch in King City, Ontario. It was owned by the Koffler family and they own Shoppers Drug Mart. So it was a very kind of a medical background. And they had some of the best in the world come and train us from the Canyon Ranch.

[Tracy Cox] 21:24
And just from there, and doing the Yoga with people and dealing with people, it just kind of grew from there. And then I got my Reiki attunements became a Reiki Master and started doing that stuff, and spiritual coaching within the New Age expos and all that great stuff in the 90s. And then eventually, I went to the University of Sedona to become a minister. And then the next thing that you do after that is your masters and then you’re Doctor of Divinity.

[Tracy Cox] 21:57
So my dissertation for my doctorate was on the power of prayer in theory and practice. So scientific evidence that prayer works to change things for the better, that religious people live longer, all that great.

[Jon Dabach] 22:14
Sounds interesting. So share some of the findings about the scientific.

[Tracy Cox] 22:18
Well, the biggest thing was that the people that believe in God and that are religious, they live approximately, it depends on the study, but it’s anywhere between four and nine years longer. And if you get into things like the Christian Science denomination, they have tons of scientific studies that just show that people praying for people to heal, praying for others to heal, it all works.

[Tracy Cox] 22:46
You know, they actually did prayer studies where they prayed across from, I think it was around Boston, to Russia, to move things within it was like a deep blue kind of a computer with prayer, and it would do it. So it’s like, it’s all there. It’s what Reiki is based on.

[Tracy Cox] 23:10
And that’s all the studies are there that it works as well. It’s very common in the United Kingdom, to have a Reiki Master on staff that sits there and Rakeysh people while they’re getting surgery and the doctor like these are all things that actually do that within the wall. Yeah. Yeah. Why? No, absolutely. And that’s in the states that starting to but really no things take time to be accepted. I guess the word is

[Jon Dabach] 23:36
It’s so funny. There’s the there’s right because just to play devil’s advocate, which is such a funny phrase, but for the conversation, but the you know, the classic rebuttal to stuff like this that you would hear as well. Correlation doesn’t prove causation, right?

[Jon Dabach] 23:52
So yeah, but here’s the here’s the thing, in my own practice, what I found is, and I’m interviewing therapists all the time, and psychiatrists, almost everyone in the couples counseling world adopts the five love languages by Dr. Gary Chapman, who does have a religious background. And there’s zero proof that that’s real, but why do we do it? Because it resonates with us, because it right?

[Jon Dabach] 24:19
Try it. It works. I mean, 100% of the time, there is some truth. So it’s like, you know, the question of what kind of the threshold for empirical data before you start adopting things is so interesting. It’s like, well, who put that label on like, we need this over 100 years? It’s like, look, it’s clearly working. And it gets to the point where, you know, the doctor is like, look, we can’t deny that there’s, we don’t understand it.

[Jon Dabach] 24:47
But it has an effect. So until we can figure out right, okay, it’s not doing any harm, right. That’s the first level of like,

[Tracy Cox] 24:54
Dr. Larry, there was a Dr. Larry Dossey, who I used a lot of his stuff and he is an MD and a cardiac surgeon in the States. And he was devout. And he would always pray for his patients before pray with them if they believed. And they studied it, and it was huge, like the percentage of, of being successful with what he did was so far and above. And it’s kind of opened it up to him that he wanted to study it as well. And his books are just full of data. Amazing. So you know, it’s all out there. It’s there’s at least 1500 studies that they’ve compiled. Newsmax, one of the news,

[Jon Dabach] 25:41
Aggregates, yeah,


[Tracy Cox] 25:42
Yeah. 15 over 1500 studies that show. It works, you live longer, and you’re healthier. So for me, that’s good enough. That’s good enough for me.

[Jon Dabach] 25:55
For sure. I remember one time, and this was probably one of the most illuminating insights into one of my atheist friends that I had in my life. And it was so it was such a dismissive little moment. But it really spoke to me, I was having Shabbat dinner, I often have guests come over Friday night, my wife’s an amazing cook. And so we had him over was the first time we had him over.

[Jon Dabach] 26:18
And, and his wife was there. And, you know, his dad was I believe his dad was a Holocaust survivor, kind of very young. And, you know, there was a lot and my, my grandfather was as well. And that stripped him of any kind of belief in a god because of the trauma he saw. I just couldn’t, couldn’t grapple with that. So I kind of got where he was coming from.

[Jon Dabach] 26:40
And in the middle of dinner, he turned to me kind of unprovoked and out of nowhere. He said, do you really believe in God? And I said, Yeah, I do. And he said, and he said, do you really feel like you have a relationship? And I and I told him, I said, honestly, especially at the time, I was much more consistent about my prayer and stuff. And I think I think the if I do believe in faith, the purpose for me, at least of having you on the show today is to remind me like you should talk a little more to God.

[Tracy Cox] 27:13
Just in the morning when you get up first thing, do it before we even get out of bed if you make that

[Jon Dabach] 27:20
Part of my routine. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So anyway, so he asked me, you know, do and at the time, I was much more consistent. I used to I used to put on phylacteries to fill in and all this stuff every single day. And I was like, you know, my relation.

[Jon Dabach] 27:34
If I’m being candid, I said, my relationship with God is probably the closest one I have in my life. It’s more real than my relationship to my wife. And he went, Hmm, and I thought he was judging. And there was this long pause, because I, I’ve learned Shut up at a certain point in that conversation, just wait to hear what the person says.

[Jon Dabach] 27:55
And he leans in, and he says, I wish I had that. And that came from as, as a person as he’s like, because he saw the comfort. He saw the resolution that I had, in my own being with that relationship. He’s like, I don’t have that. I just have this nothingness. And it’s painful for him, you know, and it was it was so interesting. And that was him being honest, in a private, like, I don’t think he could do that in a work setting. But like, in the confines of a safe space, he was like, I wish I had that. So it was really interesting.

[Tracy Cox] 28:29
I think a lot of people don’t understand what God is. I think that’s the biggest problem. Like people don’t understand that when you get a gut instinct, when you get an intuition. That’s God talking to you. That’s your guardian angel talking to you. I also believe we all have a guardian angel that we can talk to at any time that said above us, it’s right in the Bible. It’s

[Jon Dabach] 28:51
So how do you develop these relationships with God or with your guardian angel? Just through prayer? Essentially?

[Tracy Cox] 28:58
No, they have to, they have to, there’s a few things. There’s, it’s it takes a while, right? Like you have to really, meditation is always fantastic. Prayer is fantastic. There’s a lot that’s why I’m writing this book. You just asked me why I’m writing this book this course. Right?

[Tracy Cox] 29:14
What’s the call because it’s called the spiritual seekers guide to practical prayer? Right because it’s like I’ve done it for all denominations. Everybody can connect with God and everybody can connect with the angels of theirs. That’s the same in any religion.

[Tracy Cox] 29:33
So if we can just get that going, guys, let’s go get this world cleaned up because it’s been ridiculous. The last three years have been brutal. And you know, we need to turn this ship around and we can do it but we have to get enough people doing it.

[Tracy Cox] 29:48
And that’s the thing I think a lot of people have lost hope. I think a lot of people have put their I don’t know they’ve believed things that maybe weren’t correct that a lot of stuff has happened to them over the last few years. That’s all coming out now. I think we’re in for a pretty interesting ride over the next little while.

[Jon Dabach] 30:11
Well, I had a question for you that before I let you go, what does because I know you’re nondenominational, right? As a spiritual?

[Tracy Cox] 30:18
No, that denomination is metaphysical. XMI sorry, metaphysical isn’t nondenominational.

[Jon Dabach] 30:24
So you’re metaphysical. But that means that you can do blended marriages. And you can do

[Tracy Cox] 30:28
Yeah, that we embrace all faiths. That’s what we learn about all I haven’t

[Jon Dabach] 30:33
Had the pleasure of being at a service that is done by a metaphysical reverend. What does that look like?

[Tracy Cox] 30:41
Oh, sure. You mean when we do a

[Jon Dabach] 30:45
Yeah. What is?

[Tracy Cox] 30:46
What is it? Yeah, well, depending on what the client wants, right, like, a lot of the time, did they want me to talk about God? Did they want me to talk about? Did they call it the Universal Life Force? Do they call it? Do you know what I mean? So when I’m doing services for somebody, I will reflect what they’re the way that they connect is. For myself, I will talk about God all day long.

[Tracy Cox] 31:09
And I’ll talk about the angels all day long. I don’t personally bring Jesus into it. Because I find that that gets confusing for people that are that are Jewish or that are Muslim or whatever. I want us all to pray together. And we all believe in God. So that’s what I want. I’m trying to bring people together. Because I think that a lot of modern day, they’re trying to divide us all. And I think it’s the worst thing that can happen.

[Tracy Cox] 31:35
I think what we need now is Love thy neighbor energy, to just raise it up all around the world. And I think that we can do anything, you know, and it’s obvious that people are far more powerful than they believe. And if they would ask God to help them, I think that they would make some fantastic, fantastic things happen. So I think that we’re on our way it’s just we’re slowly cracking through the shell.

[Tracy Cox] 32:00
There was a while there were people want it to be kind of like with religion, but I think with how the world has gotten that people are starting to wake up to the fact that maybe we need some supernatural help here. Because you know, yeah, no.

[Jon Dabach] 32:16
Well, Reverend Dr. Tracy Cox, thank you so much for joining us. If you want to reach out to Tracy, get some coaching or if you’re in Ontario, and you want some assistance in spiritual ceremonies, you can go to Reverend Dr. Is it Reverend?

[Tracy Cox] 32:34
Rev Dr. Tracy cox.com?

[Jon Dabach] 32:36
R E V Dr Tracy cox.com.


[Tracy Cox] 32:39
Exactly. And I work with people worldwide through the internet. So it’s no problem. I have clients all over the world. And it’s what I love to do. You know, I love to help people. I love to talk them off the ledge. That’s what I’m good at. And it’s fun to do it and get people’s lives going in the right direction.

[Jon Dabach] 32:59
Thanks again for being here. Now. It’s amazing and I wish you all the best and I know that there are people out there who desperately could use your help and you seem like a great a great help to the right people.

[Jon Dabach] 33:11
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